No. Well, unless by LAN you mean 2 Xbox 360s on the same LAN, but connected to and playing over Live.

Without Live Gold, you're not playing this multiplayer.

At least $360 million (by your calculations), not including extra manufacturing costs or faulty drives.

The Pro was a whole $50 more. I dont think it would have killed you that bad to save your allowance for a few more weeks. You should have RESEARCHED before buying the console.

man, seb, you have absolutely no knowledge of his or anyone's economic background, so what the hell makes you entitled to dictate how anyone should use their money? just because you may be able to afford an elite doesn't mean that everyone else has the same liberty.

You're right. If you decide you want more you can upgrade at any time with an Arcade system. It come with a memory card and some games, so no extra purchase should be required.

It especially comes in handy for someone purchasing a gift (it's a freebie anyway for those who would complain), an extra console for another residence or LAN parties, someone without high speed internet access, or a person who doesn't play anything but 1 or 2 games every year. It's still loads cheaper than an arcade machine.

This reminds me of the people who complain wireless isn't included. Not only doesn't everyone have wireless, you can buy a bridge for $20. I guess they want everyone else to pay more for something they want.

The person saying that not everyone has wifi, so why should they pay for others to have it.

It is called economy of scale. If MS integrated wifi into every console it would cost $5 to do. This would make no difference to the retail price, as who would say I will pay $280 but $285 is just too much.

However by making it an extra MS charge $100 for the thing. I paid £57 for mine, and I have gone back to ethernet so that is the price of over 1 game wasted.

MS didn't not integrate it to save money, it was so they could offset the losses on other components by selling these at a huge premium. How come other companies can sell a wifi dongle at profit for £10, yet MS charge 6 times that.

I bought an Arcade as a secondary 360. I bought a used hdd at ebgames for $50.

Not everyone wants to play certain games online. I know a few people who have stopped playing Halo 3 online simply because they couldn't keep up. Can you fault them for that? No. But many immature kiddies would.

Should this piss anyone off? No. You CHOSE to buy an arcade knowing full well that it didn't come with a hard drive. At least MS gives people a SKU to experience 360 gaming - albeit not the full experience without a hdd.

The lowest configured PS3 is still $100 more than the Arcade. Pick up a used $50 20GB hdd and you're still cheaper than the 40GB PS3.... and the 360 has more games....

Don't be so quick to crap on the Arcade or developers that require a hdd for ONLINE multiplayer only. Try ripping out the hdd on a PS3 and see if it BOOTS.

Your right Jeramy I have no clue about his economic background, but if he is mad he cant play Burnout then he likely would have bought Burnout. The price of Burnout is more then it would have cost to get a pro. That was my general point.

My other point is that developers shouldn't have to put a big warning on the front of their games, just because some people dont have a HDD. It says it on the game case somewhere, no need for a giant banner. Once again, if people are ignorant of the fact that it says that and they buy the game, it is their own fault.

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who the fuck cares if the PS3 can boot or not without an HDD, ALL come with the HDD, and you can put YOUR OWN DAMN HDD IN IT. If there even WAS one without an HDD, a 20GB laptop HDD doesn't cost anywhere near the $100 microsoft charges for one.

When I said "you" I was reffering to the general consumer base. If a consumer doesnt research the product before buying it, then is disappointed that such features werent included, he/she is to blame. There are people who want the Arcade because they have no interest in online features, but if someone buys the Arcade because they assumed it had said features, it is their fault. Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups.