The Playstation 3 gives users the ability to donate their processing power to the Folding@Home project, but the 360 has yet to see such a program. Peter Moore said it would be possible, but why hasn't Microsoft allowed Xbox 360 users to do the same? Well, the guys over at Digital Media Thoughts think they know why Microsoft doesn't release such a program and it all comes down to faulty hardware. They believe that the Xbox 360's failure rate is the main reason for not including such a program. According to DMT, they feel the 360's failure rate is much higher than Microsoft wants to admit and that the hardware problems stem from the massive amount of heat generated causing the motherboard to warp and solder joints to disconnect. And if a Folding@Home project were released for the 360, nearly 100% of the CPU would be used for hours on end, causing lots of heat and much more hardware problems. Red rings of death would soon become the norm.Whether you buy into DMT's reasoning or not, we simply cannot justify why Microsoft would not include some sort of project for users to donate their 360's CPU power. Maybe it is because Microsoft doesn't want to stress the hardware any further, maybe not, but we'd like to know the whole story without any smoke or mirrors. Any thoughts guys?




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5-13-2007 @ 10:46AM
Tony said...
People actually came up with that months ago. I think someone might have even stated it in the comments here, but I could be wrong. It's not a new conspiracy theory, in any case.
I don't know that it's true. I mean, a lot of people clearly just don't know how to keep the thing well ventilated. For every person who has a broken one that did nothing wrong, there's probably two people who are to blame. I've personally had no problems and I've left the thing running overnight even.
In my case, I wouldn't be concerned about running it all of the time. I put my hand behind it from time to time and the whole area around it is cool now (something that helped a lot -- mine is horizontal -- was raising the system up so that the vents on the bottom have a lot more room... a book will do).
I wonder, how much of it has to do with their online setup. Maybe nothing, but who knows. It's not just a plain open network that can access the Internet directly like PS3 can. There's clearly some barriers set up on purpose.
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5-13-2007 @ 10:46AM
Souls said...
Maybe they are spending their resources on making the gaming experience better on the 360. As to why they wouldn't have something like that available, maybe they honestly don't care. They are in the business of making money after all.
No offense to all those F@H fans out there, but I didn't pay $400 so someone else could borrow my console's power. And I am not going to pay the electricity for it either. I'd rather donate directly to a charity. M$ needs to spend their time increasing the number of 360 features and further polishing the system.
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5-13-2007 @ 10:47AM
Toph said...
I tell you, if they DID offer F@H for the 360, I sure as hell wouldn't download it. I've already lost one system to the 'Rings' and i'm not going to willingly ruin my second one just a month or so later.
It's a noble project to be sure, but not one for the 360. Hell, it's just a come-on for PS3ers too...just download the program on your desktop PC and you're fine.
The only reason F@H would benefit on the 360 is that, well, people OWN 360s..as opposed to the fifteen people out there globally that have a PS3.
They have to have SOMEthing to do with their consoles for another year or so, right?
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5-13-2007 @ 10:52AM
jimhuf said...
Is there actually any proof this folding at home actually does anything useful. Im not convinced.
I havent got it for my pc so im certainly not going to be using it on my 360.
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5-13-2007 @ 10:54AM
FED UP said...
1st off WHO CARES!?!?
If people want to Fold, Buy a PS3!!!
If People want Home, Buy a PS3!!!
Now I totally Believe the Faulty Hardware, & I'm 100% sure the defective rate is up to 15-25% Microsoft knows this & Definitely wont let out that info!!!
There's around 10-15% people that either A) Don't know there hardware is faulty. (As in Freezing) or B) Don't mind it freezing every so often. I'm B, Mine freezes left & right in GOW & GR2. I just don't feel like sending my Faulty console in, Besides Having to pay $140.
So in all reality I could of had a PS3 for the Price of my 360, & sending it in for repair.
I love my 360, but with all these PROBLEMS, I'm wondering if I'd be better off with a PS3!!!
MICROSOFT YOUR LOSING YOU FANBASE!!!
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5-13-2007 @ 11:02AM
james frazer said...
Maybe they just didn't want to include it. Ever thought of that?
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5-13-2007 @ 11:21AM
killr0y said...
Who F***ING cares? I play games on my console. I didn't buy it to eat up 100's of watts & heat up my livingroom. If Stanford or whoever wants to use videogame consoles to crunch numbers, then let THEM buy their own consoles and pay for their own electricity and they can crunch all the numbers they want.
This bulls**t about F@H being some noble gesture on Sony's part needs to stop. Why don't they tell everyone how many more tons of CO2 are entering our atmosphere each year because PS3 owners leave their machines on all day running at 100% power?
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5-13-2007 @ 11:23AM
Anonymous said...
Fed Up is obviously a Troll, his ilk show up whenever there is a story about the Xbox 360's "Problems". I've had 1 console since launch day. No problems. The same can be said for 2 friends of mine (as far as "From Launch day" goes; they camped out with me) and 3 or 4 friends that have slightly newer 360's. The Internet Echo chamber would have you believe that the failure rate is high, but it's no higher than any other electronic device, and it's certainly lower than PC's (or Mac's).
Honestly, I have no interest in running Folding@home. So far it's gotten no results of any value, and I don't imagine it's going to get some anytime soon. Basically you are running up your electric bill to solve what equates to 1% (Maybe, if the project is REALLY a success) towards curing *Insert disease name here*. In other words, this project will not cure squat, and you are wasting your time. It sure makes you feel good though, I guess?
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5-13-2007 @ 11:46AM
NeoteriX said...
Re: "I have no interest in running Folding@home. So far it's gotten no results of any value" and other stupid comments
If you're waiting for an actual "cure" as justification for "results" then you're misinformed. I'm sorry, but your computer isn't alone going to actually develop any cures given the fact that understanding protein folding is a small part of the bigger picture. However, I'd say that the numerous academic papers published is a fair representation of the "results" of the project.
For the others, I seriously doubt the lot of you have instead, as a matter of principle, given an electric bill's worth of money to your local favorite charity.
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5-13-2007 @ 11:56AM
Steve said...
Mine red ringed last saturday after 8 months of use. It sits by itself horizontally on a raised shelf so NO, it's not a ventelation issue. Never been abused, I'm almost 40 not 14, yet these she sits. Dead as a door nail waiting for the box the MS told me was coming a week ago so I can send the god damned thing back. With a failure rate this high, I'm surprosed MS hasn't been sued outright yet.
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5-13-2007 @ 12:00PM
Toph said...
I'm a dedicated 360 fanboy, player and owner..and I think the 'brick' epidemic is near the 30% or higher.
Trust me...sincerely trust me that getting your console 'bricked' with the three lights can happen for no reason, based on nothing you've done, and at any time. It just happens.I personally think it has something to do with Live.
Those of you with launch units..kudos if your consoles are still working; more power to you. Nobody I know friends-wise is still on their first unit, myself. I'm on my second.
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5-13-2007 @ 12:03PM
Toph said...
..Thought it was funny to mention that my local Target's display 360 is red-ringed.. it's behind glass in a cabinet, running one demo disk, and of course not connected to Live, so no odd abuse there. That was set up by a Microsoft employee. It's a hardware f-up.
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5-13-2007 @ 12:05PM
EvilBit said...
First off, the F@H only does static folding, which is of limited use.
Second, the reason the Xbox 360 doesn't have F@H is probably that they ran the numbers and found out that it wouldn't do as well as the PS3. I'm not trolling-- I love the 360 and I think Sony has had terrible hardware design since at least the PS2. The reason I think the PS3 would beat the 360 is, in fact, that it's poorly-designed. The Cell processor is a media powerhouse. You can use it to decode enormous amounts of streamed data. The catch is that it's not that good at general-purpose processing, where you aren't just doing the same thing over and over. So the PS3 CPU is great for things like protein folding, but the 360 is better-designed for things like, oh, say, video games.
Bonus third point: Folding is bad for the environment, as previously stated. At 380W peak draw (and you are definitely peaking the processor), we're talking significant power usage. Even if it's more like 300W because you aren't spinning a disc, it's a lot of power.
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5-13-2007 @ 12:06PM
Joshua Campbell said...
the ps3 does not over heat why do people say that i l;eave mine on all the timeit does not overheat get rings of death pr play halo 1 or 2 but its my fave system riight now
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5-13-2007 @ 12:13PM
Romp said...
Has anyone ever taken a look at the locations for all these failures? Is it a specific area? The reason I ask is that I have had a 360 since the first week they were out, five of my friends have had 360s for quite a while, and a bunch of people I work with have them. Out of all of these people, no one has had a failure, ever.
Reading the comments on here (not just this article), I would think that I should be on my 75th XBOX with each of them exploding within 15 seconds of being plugged in.
So, personally, I don't think the failure rate is all that insanely high. I do think that the failures they have are hyped up to a very high level.
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5-13-2007 @ 12:14PM
starnos said...
I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS BUT..I DIDNT BUY MY 360...TO FOLD @ HOME..FUCK THE FOLDING PROGRAM..IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO CURE CANCER OR OTHER HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS..THEY WOULD..BUT ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND POLITICS..SO I SAY FUK IT ..THEY ARE NOT GONNA TAKE MY MONEY..
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5-13-2007 @ 12:21PM
browndoom said...
Who cares. Run it on your PC. It's not a big deal.
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5-13-2007 @ 12:21PM
Jacob Jones said...
It's a console for farks sake, and it's primary use is to play games. Just like I don't leave the hard drives in my Nas spinning all the time because I'd like it to last, I wouldn't leave my 360 or my PS3 on at all times.
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5-13-2007 @ 12:26PM
Hoffer said...
I think everyone will admit that the Cell in the PS3 is more powerful than the CPU in the 360. I would say they won't release the same F@H as runs on the PS3. MS wouldn't want a direct comparison. Especially if the PS3 could fold twice as much data.
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5-13-2007 @ 12:30PM
Pinhead said...
Who hasn't thought of this before? Really...
It makes perfect sense. With a failure rate as high as we are seeing in the 360s it seems perfectly probably that introducing a feature like that would only cost Microsoft more money from having to replace a higher number of consoles.
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