Xbox 360 Fanboy

Cool. But do you think the Xbox360 is going to make up for the 4billion they lost with the last one?

I just want to see a full financial report and know if they're even covering their costs on 360 yet. I know all of them so far were sold at like a $150 loss. Have they made that up in acc, XBL Marketplace and licensing? If it coninues to eat money like a fat kid at Coney Island, we can kiss the Xbox 720 goodbye.

Fat kids eat anything.

I dont think you set goals so low that if you hit them you will be losing money to the point of losing an entire division. Think...

I think we'll see plenty of Xbox Consoles from here on out.. the first was a success and proved to be a true contender and now the 360 is doing great as well. And MS has deep pockets.

Anytime Microsoft financial data is brought up, the billions spent on the hardware and marketing over the life of the console is brought up. That cost, while true, is a sunk cost. It's not like Microsoft is carrying 4 billion in debt they have to recover. It's a done deal. If you look closer, you'll notice they have 31 billion in cash alone at their disposal as of right now, which they've carried all along. In contrast, if you look at Sony with the PS3... They've spent over a billion dollars in R&D (maybe even 2), and they haven't sold a single unit, plus they just borrowed almost a billion dollars as of earlier this month.

Anytime you create a new piece of hardware, there's initial R&D, marketing, production, etc etc. For a new console the costs can easily be a billion to 2 billion. That's what happened to Microsoft. Where Microsoft made a mistake, is that they didn't own any of the property in their console, so they were unable to reduce costs over the lifetime of the console. If I'm not mistaken, Microsoft still loses money over every Xbox (1st generation) sold.

Where they recoup costs is in sales of software, licensing, subscriptions, or additional hardware. The console hardware is being subsidized at a loss to support those other areas and third parties.

To look at if the Xbox or Xbox 360 is successful you need to at least consider all areas, and not necessarily focus on hardware or past debt incurred by hardware.

The one manufacturer best poised to recover costs quicky is most likely Nintendo. They've done this for a long time, and they don't necessarily sink a lot of expensive technolgy into their products.

But anyway, in the end, I think Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo are all in this for the long term, and will be around for a while.

And to think, these numbers are being done without bringing out "you know who" before its ready. I have many friends that are just waiting for H3 to come out before thier purchase. I bet all of you have friends who will do the same. Once that Game hits, it will do for the 360 like H1 did for xbox.

I meant one of those hot dog eating contests that's usually won by an 85 pound Asian kid. And I understand Microsoft has deep pockets to keep spending, but if they keep hemorraging money eventually they'll leave the project. It's kinda like my '93 Honda, I keep putting money in because I love it, but eventually I just have to let it go.

I don't know about that 10 million mark by the holidays, theres roughly 5 million now and that took around 8 months, I don't forsee another 5 million in half as much time.

At least we know that MS buisness plan works, especially that now LIVE is coming out of the pipline.