
It seems that the Fall Update brought with it more than we realized. A befuddled Knuckles Dawson IMed us the other day, noting that backwards compatible Xbox games are now showing up on Xbox 360 Gamercards. We checked our own console, and sure enough, a recently played Xbox game (Ninja Gaiden) was displayed. The games do not appear on Xbox.com Gamercards, only on the 360 itself (under the Games Played tab in the Games blade). Also, only games you've played since the Fall Update will show up. In other words, our jaunt with the Halo 2 maps released earlier this year isn't recorded. The most curious bit of all is that the games are listed with the notice "0 of 0 Achievements."
There are a few possibilities here. The most likely is that Microsoft thought it was a good idea for all games to show up on the list, especially given the arrival of the Xbox Originals service. Much less likely is that Microsoft is looking for some way to implement achievements in old Xbox games, which Major Nelson has stated isn't the case. No, we imagine it's there simply for convenience (or inconvenience, depending on whom you ask).
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
12-19-2007 @ 3:06PM
Knuckles Dawson said...
Color me inconvenienced. We get trial games taken off of our Gamercard from the Dashboard Update moving forward, and Xbox games put on. A step forward and a step back. A choice to whether it's displayed or not would have been preferable.
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12-19-2007 @ 3:16PM
DjDATZ said...
Definitely...we like our options. :D
12-19-2007 @ 3:37PM
xenocidic said...
Yes, this really irks me too, Knuckles. Luckily I had forewarning by way of the Xbox.com forums, so when my backwards compatible version of "Leisure Suit Larry" I bought off eBay arrived in the mail, I played it on my silver account.
For what it's worth, they don't seem to show up to others when they are using 'Compare game' via the Friends list.
Sorry for not sending this in as a tip, it slipped my mind.
12-19-2007 @ 5:31PM
Jonah Falcon said...
Yes, they do appear in the Compare Game option. I saw my comparison of KOTOR with another person. I was 0 and they were --.
12-19-2007 @ 10:26PM
xenocidic said...
@jonah
that's not what I meant. of course it's going to show up to YOU when you compare yourself to someone else.
compare games with Knuckles
You will not see his burnout 3.
12-19-2007 @ 3:09PM
Cameron said...
I've known this since day one. you guys are slow.
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12-19-2007 @ 3:47PM
E.J. said...
Good for you.
Next time, save us all the eye-rolling and don't comment.
12-19-2007 @ 3:15PM
NitroFrost said...
I hope they allow you to use the dashboard while playing cuz I really hate talking to a bud on the phone when he and I both are on live but i am playing Ninja Gaiden and hes playing a 360 game
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12-19-2007 @ 3:17PM
mike said...
few.. Thanks for warning me. Could of accidently tainted my gamercard with these. Do xbox originals on the download service count too?
They need to implament a way to remove all games from your gamercard with 0 gamerscore, that way I can rid myself of those trial games that were added before the update. This way a new game wont be added to your card either unless you get at least 1 achievement.
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12-19-2007 @ 3:49PM
elmersglue said...
Why the ef do you people care so much? Honestly, you guys need to grow up and realize how stupid it sounds when you complain that a game showed up on your games list... Jesus Christ!
12-19-2007 @ 3:53PM
xenocidic said...
@elmers
I have gamercard OCD, and I'm ok with that.
12-19-2007 @ 3:41PM
JakubK666 said...
Technically they could have achievements. Xbox could access game's save games and give 30g for every mission complete etc. Again it would probably cause a huge wave of gamerwhoring and cheating but this proves that it's pretty much possible.MS is just to lazy to work on it.
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12-19-2007 @ 3:44PM
xenocidic said...
"MS is just to [sic] lazy to work on it."
pretty much says it all.
minimum effort for maximum profit.
12-19-2007 @ 3:54PM
E.J. said...
You don't know how difficult it is to do that type of thing.
Lazy? Dude, i wanna see you try programming that. And collaborating with publishers. And testing the feature. Good luck.
And by the way, look out for people bitching at you because your effort sucked.
12-19-2007 @ 4:05PM
xenocidic said...
it really doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to read a save file, determine what level the player is on, and grant an achievement based on how many levels they've completed.
sure the achievements might not unlock until you got back to the dashboard or something, but it would be way better than the zero effort they've put forth as it stands.
12-19-2007 @ 4:40PM
Adam said...
Achievements are very heavily integrated and coded into the games themselves, it's not a simple case of reading save files because how the save files are read is goverened by the game not the xbox itself, thats why the only thing you can see about a save file is the name of the game (and maybe date etc i cant remember off the top of my head).
For BC xbox games to have achievements would mean title updates from the developers themselves, not a 10 minute job for microsoft.
12-19-2007 @ 4:55PM
xenocidic said...
I'm pretty sure that if an individual poked around in a save file with a hex editor you could determine what level the player was on.
and you're telling me a multi-national billion-dollar corporation like Microsoft can't do better?
come on...
12-19-2007 @ 6:32PM
zlionsfan said...
Well, for one thing, as others have said, it's not Microsoft's code. I don't think MS is particularly eager to be hacking other people's applications, and I doubt most people would prefer that the companies that do own the source code work on adding achievements to these games rather than working on new games.
For another, if the developers really were going to get into these games, I doubt they'd be able to get away with only adding achievements: graphics, controls, live play, co-op play ...
12-19-2007 @ 4:00PM
David(Postal) said...
I think its kinda cool how it shows these games now so you can see what people have been playing. I think you all are a little too obsessed with gamerscores and percentage complete
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12-19-2007 @ 4:04PM
xenocidic said...
as I mentioned above, they only show up to the local user and not when comparing games.