
With all the hoopla surrounding
Gears of War's matchmaking system we've been led to believe that come Emergence Day we won't get to play ranked games with our friends on Xbox Live. Well, that's only partially true. The smart folks over at Microsoft's Applied Games Group try to explain the TueSkill matchmaking system that Gears implements for ranked multiplayer sessions. They state that the TrueSkill system doesn't allow you to play ranked games
against your friends due to the possibility of intentionally throwing a game to increase anther's rank. (That makes sense, keep going.) The other dark side of the coin is that the system doesn't
allow you to "party up" with your friends either, due to them wanting to keep TrueSkill valid and completely random. (That kinda sucks, anything else?) The bright spot in all of this is that the TrueSkill system doesn't
prevent you from playing alongside your friends, since you'll share the same outcome as them, but it's all up to chance of the TrueSkill system that you'll actually be paired with your buddy. Hopefully this clears up some of the mystery surrounding the matchmaking in
Gears of War ... or maybe I just made you all the more confused.
Update: Ok, after analyzing this more thoroughly it looks like
Gears of War's rank isn't based solely off of your win/lose ratio, but takes into account numerous individual stats. So, the TrueSkill ranking system looks at players individually and not as a team, hence why you can't party with a buddy in ranked games. Thanks BenzMoney for your insight, but the outcome is still the same no matter who you want to point your finger at ... you can't play ranked matches of
Gears of War with your friends in one party. Also, I fixed that evil spelling error and I love how you're keeping the new guy on his toes!
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11-06-2006 @ 5:12PM
Mr Adidas said...
led is spelled wrong
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11-06-2006 @ 5:13PM
David said...
I don't think you mentioned it, but I believe that you can still party up and play together in the non-ranked games.
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11-06-2006 @ 5:22PM
BenzMoney said...
Argh!!! Not even YOU guys got this information right! The amount of misinformation about this is really starting to get annoying.
Yes, you CAN still "party up" and play ranked matches with your friends so long as you all share the same FATE (ala Saints Row). The reason this isn't possible in GOW is because the rankings aren't based on a TEAM win/lose situation but rather INDIVIDUAL STATISTICS like kills, deaths, revives, stomps, etc. Therefore the reason we can't party up with friends is because of a DESIGN CHOICE made by Epic. If they'd decided to make ranked games a simple win/lose then there would be no problem. Read the explanation again.
They say that people who COULD collude must share the same fate. If GoW was a simple TEAM-BASED win/lose system then there would be no problem since no particular teammate would get a boost to their stats for individual things like stomping/chainsawing etc. But as it is, a teammate could let one guy go around getting all the stomps, etc, thus boosting his stats (ie: they don't share the same fate).
Hope this helps to clear things up.
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11-06-2006 @ 5:46PM
RazorElite said...
This still sucks VERY much. Not being able to play against is OK, but not partying up is just dumb. This was a significant part of Halo 2 for many, and to remove it from future games, simply doesn't make sense.
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11-06-2006 @ 6:01PM
BenzMoney said...
Dustin,
The "new guy"? I didn't even notice! Kudos to you for posting an article about something that is actually an important issue though! Thanks for that.
Lots of people feel that this issue is bigger than Epic is making it out to be. Personally, I've just grown tired of the "blame MS" stuff you see around the internet. This was a *design* issue. Epic decided how they wanted to rank the players in their game and Epic decided to make a system that doesn't play nice with MS's trueskill.
That JoeGraf guy at Epic opened a can of worms when he said that it was a MS certification requirement that games not allow friends in ranked matches. Turns out it was a lie - he was just trying to pawn the blame off to someone else. Or so it appears.
I know I'm going to love GoW and I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt before I start to critisize this decision too much... but I'm afraid that when it comes down to it, they've crippled the multiplayer aspect of this game.
"It's good to play together." I want to play with my friends, too, and I agree this sucks.
RazorElite:
The good news is that this isn't a MS requirement so playing w/ friends in ranked matches SHOULDN'T be removed from future games. It's up to the developers, basically... Hopefully Bungie won't make a similar decision (although they've already said that they won't).
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11-06-2006 @ 6:06PM
ThweeSiddy said...
if you want to play with your friends, dont play rank matches. the end.
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11-06-2006 @ 6:39PM
Parvin said...
"You can't play ranked matches of Gears of War with your friends in one party."
Punish us more for having RL friends. That is seriously stupid. The majority of games I would love to play with my friends. Stop limiting us to only unranked games.
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11-06-2006 @ 6:52PM
NEO1X said...
Does anyone know if there will be clan support in GOW if so that would be a little better for playing ranked games with friends.
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11-06-2006 @ 6:53PM
moore said...
what does it matter if a match is ranked or not? I dont get the problem?
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11-06-2006 @ 6:58PM
joane said...
to enzMoney:
thanks for this information.
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11-06-2006 @ 7:50PM
dan s. said...
I wonder how long it will take for jackasses to learn how to exploit the system Halo 2 style.
My faith in humanity is low, so I say 2 months, tops.
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11-06-2006 @ 7:54PM
Shaggy Goat said...
This is a response to the all glitchers and cheaters that plagued Halo 2. Kudos to Epic and Microsoft for trying to combat that problem. I can't understand why anyone would resort to cheating to increase rank or win a match. Maybe its just a lack of skills.
All cheaters should be shot!!
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11-06-2006 @ 8:09PM
Lou said...
This is kind of awesome.
1. It shoes that XBox Live is pretty dedicated to making games fair.
2. I would think the majority of people play alone, and if you are playing with your friends it is for fun, not for rank.
3. I hate it when it is a clan of people ganging up on everyone. This makes it every man for himself.
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11-06-2006 @ 8:24PM
Edge of Blade said...
Most people I talk to enjoy unranked games more than ranked. Ranked draws jackasses...like the people who would throw a game to boost.
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11-06-2006 @ 8:56PM
Ryan said...
I've got a couple cents to add to this.
It totally sucks to not be able to play ranked games with your friends. I've come to the conclusion that there is a (highly unlikely) solution to this quandary. We, as Xbox Live Gold Members and Gears of War early-adopters must pioneer a new play-style: make honest attempts to work together with strangers (even when they inevitably end up being 12 year-olds...d'oh!).
This may end being the only way to actually ENJOY ranked gamees since early impressions suggest that matches will require quite alot of teamwork.
Let's make it happen.
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11-06-2006 @ 8:59PM
Ryan said...
In summary, (in response to 14):
Let's not be jackasses then, and *maybe* that will encourage others to follow suit and discourage. A man can dream.
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11-06-2006 @ 10:20PM
nick said...
Just announced, movies and TV on Xbox Live marketplace...
http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2006/11/06/538735.aspx
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11-15-2006 @ 7:50PM
Oh So said...
I'm confused. This morning I woke up went into ranked, met a great group of guys, and played a couple of matches. When the game ended, he said he would start another one, and to find his game. So this went on for a couple of hours. Is this not "playing" with your friends?
Unless I'm confused and I was playing Unranked....
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11-19-2006 @ 1:38PM
Eisen4 said...
Fixed spelling errors and yet this slipped through?
"They state that the TrueSkill system doesn't allow you to play ranked games against your friends due to the possibility of intentionally throwing a game to increase ...anther's... rank."
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