Xbox 360 Fanboy

Falcon cooler. Ha

Next your being saying it is quieter.

You are right about the sizes, and the article is wrong. Shame on you X3F, you don't even know what powers you favourite console

Yes - the Falcon runs significantly cooler. I have a 2008 Elite now, and it runs A LOT cooler than my launch Elite did (my launch Elite cracked two game disks, and was 90nm - I could tell by the heatsink design). It's fairly common knowledge that one of the main advantages of smaller manufacturing processes is to decrease heat.

What i'm not saying is that the Falcon is more reliable ;-) General opinion seems to point at the GPU being the main cause of the 3 red lights - which is probably true, considering its a first generation unified-shader GPU (which ATi aren't too great at designing, as it turns out). The Falcon doesn't have said 65nm GPU, so probably isn't going to be much more reliable.

@Sean

My lord are you ever wrong. ATI is ahead of Nvidia. NVIDIA video cards are on 65nm process right now. I'm sitting here looking at my ATI HD 3870 X2 55nm that I bought two months ago, and wondering what the heck you are smoking. I also bought a 65nm ATI video card some 7 months ago.

Secondly,
"considering its a first generation unified-shader GPU (which ATi aren't too great at designing, as it turns out)"
Wow are you ever stupid. The ATI Xenos GPU in the 360 is a marvel of design and was way ahead of its time considering it launched in 2005. It has 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines with a theoretical 10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle. The unified shader architecture and the rest of the Xenos architecture is brilliant and that is why despite launching one year before the PS3 it can still outpower the PS3's NVIDIA video card running at a higher frequency.

Hopefully you have learned something here today.

@PerfectStrategy

You couldn't be more wrong. Yes it's slightly smaller in an ATI card, but Nvidia is leaps and bounds ahead of ATI/AMD.

Just go look at some news with Nvidia, they are basically competing with Intel with integrated graphics and small, cheap processing.

Wow, I could reply to your comments... But screw it, not worth the effort when you are that dumb.

Yeah they will actually.

Smaller chips release less heat, less heat released is less work on heatsink/fan, less work on those means it's quieter.

What is everyone smoking today? The PS3 (all models) currently have 90nm GPUs, not 80nm, and certainly not 65nm.


So how is Microsoft behind, The Sound? They went to 65nm CPU and 80nm GPU last year in October. The PS3 only went to 65nm CPU this year I believe and is still on 90nm GPU.

And in case you want to make a dumb remark, this has nothing to do with when the consoles launched. The chip foundries of the world do not adjust their timetables of when they can manufacture at certain processes based on when a console releases or how long it's been out.

Dumb remark? Hah.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080207-ibm-shrinks-cell-to-45nm-cheaper-ps3s-will-follow.html

Cell at 45nm now, not yet in use in PS3, will be this summer.

40gb PS3 units, the only units available at this time are running 65nm/90nm which was in my original post.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/09/40gb-ps3s-have-65nm-cell-chips-90nm-gpus/

And the fact that it's taken MS 3 years to reduce chip sizes all around shows that being a hardware company/manufacturer (Sony) helps out a lot. The PS3 is a year old (a little over) and it's already down to the same size and will be smaller in CPU size this summer.

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