Xbox 360 Fanboy

i really hope that the 65nm chip will be a big difference. i went through like 5 last winter. all loud and buggy. i was really unimpressed. but my friend had his since launch. so i dunno, can't hurt to try a 65nm falcon this fall eh?

oh and how would we know if it is one or not?

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I'd be upset about this but I don't have any money right now anyway so whatever.

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*sigh* and I'm still waiting for 65 nm... since last Christmas. I have 1k stashed away to go on an xbox shopping spree the second 65nm drops.

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what exactly is the difference to the one now? it just wont break as much?

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lol. He could have found this out without opening his 360. There is a marking somewhere on the packaging box which states the Xbox version. The HDMI-360's currently show 'Zephyr' (the chipset included in the Elite). 'Falcon' will be on the box when they're using the 65nm technology.

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Supposedly, 65nm chips run much cooler than 95nm chips.

What i don't understand is, i have a Core 2 running at 3.2Ghz, on the same speed as the 3 cores in the 360. I have a crappy case (like the 360) but i have a good Zalman cooler on top of it but it still idles at 51. And maxes at 66. I can't see how 360 will not break with the new 65nm chip. The airflow is really poor in the 360 and my pc case is much better in that regard.

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can someone explain the benefits of the 65 over the current chip? better graphics???

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It'd run cooler, less chance of overheating, essentially. If the new heatsink is enough, though, it's not like you'd notice much of a difference.

It won't affect power or graphics or anything.

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i'm hearing it also makes parts smaller. might even be able to fit the power brick inside it.

maybe not till the 45nm chips tho...

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It make NO practical difference-- Certainly not a difference worth skipping playing 360 games for two years, anyway.

I will again note that my launch 360 NEVER overheated. Never gave the RROD and never gave me a single problem. My later-model 360 with the quieter optical drive (the only reason I switched) has also never given me a single problem related to heat.

The bulk of the people saying they have problems with overheating are not putting the 360 in a properly-ventilated area, or they're burying the power supply in a bunch of other cables and dust, or they're sitting the 360 on top of other components (TV, stereo, cable box, DVD player, etc.) or putting it on the FLOOR, where carpeting and dust and crap get into the vents and gum up the works.

The majority of overheating problems are caused by users. Yes, some do overheat, but most 360s when handled properly do not.

The 65nm chip will NOT change these people's behavior. The idiots that don't read the manual and insist on sticking their 360 inside an enclosed space, entertainment center with a door, on the carpet, or on other components will STILL have an overheating problem. They'd have that with 45nm chips, too. The heat problem these people are having has nothing to do with the 360 itself-- It's user error.

Will the 65nm chip cut down on overheating at all? Yes. In like 5% of cases, perhaps. Will it make a difference in gaming, or make it any more possible to stash your 360 inside something else? Nope.

The 360 overheats no more than various (redesigned, recalled) variations of the PS2 did, and saying that the users are blameless is just wrong. Sometimes it's obvious, and sometimes users lie.

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heh heh.

"Makes" ...not "make"

And "various variations" -- I like that one. It's early. Leave me alone.

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@ZeroCorpse

the older versions will still be louder than hell with a fan working overtime to keep the damn thing cool.

MS themselves admitted it's a pretty hot system. why do you think they fixture a HEAT SINK in every broken 360 now?

65nm is a good thing. we will wait, especially this fall when more than just Gears of War will be available for a system that will cost 1/3 less than what you paid for at launch. =)

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@ZeroCorpse - you're a cock. How many people have to have their system overheat, and at what percentage of failure rates will convince you it's a hardware issue, and not just the end user's fault?

Just because you are lucky enough to have a unit that has never gone kaput (there are many of you out there), doesn't make you some sort of genius in the positioning of your box. You are just LUCKY.

Fact is, the box has a overheating problem, regardless. You can cut down the chances of it happening - but it still can happen no matter what. It's quite a sad thing to say, but I actually hope your machine gets RROD just so you can experience the pain of other people who look after their box and position it properly, but it still breaks (as happened to one of the writers here on fanboy - check the pictures to see how he positioned his genius boy).

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I don't think his response makes him a "cock," but I disagree with his assertion that most overheating problems are caused by users.

The hardware is defective, an example of a largely software company having problems making hardware. I bet there are numerous examples here of 360's overheating with no user created issue. My 360 was in a well-ventilated , no door plenty of room on both sides entertainment center, in mild temperate Bellingham, Wash. with no overuse when it overheated in April.

If you go over to benheck, he had a post awhile back about the terrible airflow design the 360 has, something about the dvddrive being counted on as an airflow solution by microsoft.

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A lot of people associate the 360 noise to the systems fans. It's not - it's the DVD drive. End of. the 65nm processors wont vastly reduce the noise unless Microsoft add some sound insulation inside.

And to Teabag, about your Core2 setup at 3.2Ghz. The Core2 (and more so, Core2Duo) series are completely different to the PowerPC inside the 360. Core2's run at relatively low clock speeds as stock, as they're highly efficient. They also run incredibly cool. PowerPC processors have always been designed to have high clock rates. Plus, when they switch to the 65nm processor, it will run cooler than the current. So I fail to see what kind of point you're trying to make.

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I just recently had to send my xbox back for the first time [funny it happened just about the same time one of you guy's died too]. I was planning on getting the Halo edition just because I did last time around and I'm a big fanboy of the master chief spending an extra $100 to upgrade from my old 360 doesn't sound bad with the new HDMI...[20 GB is more than enough for me...!]

But here's a question...are the halo editions going to have the new 65 mm chips..? That would sound like a deal breaker for me...if perhaps they are going with the 'silent release' for the 65 mm chips I'm going to wait until it is certain...I can live with my refurb xbox when it gets back...seems like forever now since I sent it off...I had to play God of War II this past week [never got around to playing it until now] even though I really wanted to play some Forza...I miss my xbox...!

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What I find funny is that all these people are willing to wait for the 65nm version which is pretty much completely new tech and likely WILL have some kind of short term or long term problem. Waiting for the 65nm systems is no different than being an early adopter of the 95nm systems.

PS-I got my system November of 2005 and it's never had a problem. I leave it on day and night as a TiVO for my living room and then play games and movies on it when I get time. Never had a problem.

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Simply put, the 360 can heat up and RROD at anytime, under no strange circumstances or misuse from the user. Just ask Richard and Dustin.



Those that have experienced this know it all too well, and those that HAVEN'T can only assume and theorize that it's user-based. It's not. Of course, those that DO abuse the console will be much more likely to mess it up, but the bottom line is that the 360 heats up quite nicely, whether we do anything about it or not.

I keep mine horizontally aligned, sitting on two 360 game cases so it's elevated from a surface. During downloads and disc-play, I keep a fan blowing on the side of the console.

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Toph, Exactly.

and that's why Heatsink+65nm chip will cool things down.

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all we want is a dependasble console people may say the 4 to 6 week wait is ok for the great mostly ok games but honestly i rather be playing for those weeks instead of scanning over the box reading the back going omg im gonna have so much fun.

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